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Sunday, February 10, 2008

Understand Post Punk

Post punk is a very hazy category in music. It can be confusing to understand why one band can be considered post punk while another is not. The secret is to realise that most post punk bands follow the "punk ethos"


Steps

  1. Listen to the original punk bands to see where the genre developed from and what the punk ethos is.
  2. Listen to bands that former members of the original punk bands formed after they split eg.John Lydon with PiL and Howard Devoto with Magazine.
  3. Read up on a indie label called Factory Records.
  4. Buy a Joy Division record. They are a perfect example of post punk
  5. Buy a Fall record for the same reason as above

Tips
  • Watch the movie 24 hour party people.
  • Read up on the manchester music scene in the early 80s
  • Listen to bands like Sonic Youth,Joy Division, The Fall, Public Image Ltd, Magazine, The Birthday Party, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Gang of Four, New Order, Wall of Voodoo, Oingo Boingo
Warnings
  • Post punk is a very hard genre to appreciate, so don't touch it unless you have an alternate taste in music.
  • remember sometimes Post Punk bands made songs deliberately obscure and hard to listen to so a couple of songs may be horrific
Things You'll Need
  • records by Joy Division, The Fall, Public Image Ltd, Magazine, The Birthday Party, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Gang of Four, New Order, Wall of Voodoo
  • An alternative and open taste in music



What is Emo Music?

EMO = EMOTIONAL HARDCORE

In the summer of 2005, I was talking to a friend about the state of music. Of course, the subject of Emo came up. This was a friend who actually knew what Emo was, and we eventually got pissed off beyond all reason. So, I said those fateful words: "I'm going to make a website about this." Unfortunately, I was 14 at the time, so, of course, I wasn't exactly mature. Regardless, what was written worked well. I think the semi-retarded approach to the subject kept people coming in. However, that bullshit isn’t going to cut it anymore. So, we (Brian, Marissa, and I [Holly]) decided it was about time to re-write everything. After all, if we're going to be getting this shit out to a larger audience, it would be better to present as mature.

Contrary to popular belief, Emo is not short for Emotional, at least not really. It is not a style, either. It has nothing to do with cutting yourself, or boys with swooping haircuts taking pictures of themselves. Emo is not about whining about your problems. It’s got nothing to do with your girlfriend breaking up with you. If you believe that, you’re exercising your right to do so. This does not, however, make you correct.

Emo is short for Emotional, sort of. It’s short for Emotional Hardcore. Say it with me, folks. And repeat it several times to yourself. The thing I’ve never gotten is how people can even begin to believe that it’s short for ‘Emotional’, because, well, the theme song for Fraggle Rock is emotional, for christ’s sakes.

One response I usually get, when I say that it’s short for Emotional Hardcore, is "Well, if all music is emotional, wouldn’t it just be Hardcore?" I respond with telling them what the word ‘Emotional’ means, when talking about Emo. The emotional aspect of Emo comes from the lyrics. They are, of course, emotionally driven, but usually actually about one emotion or another. It’s usually about anger towards something, or whatever you want. Its instrumentals are brutal and loud, and seemingly random. They are the instrumental equivalent of screaming your lungs out.

Another question I get a lot is, “What if an Emo band got popular? Would it stop being Emo?” The answer is: No, it wouldn’t. In the recent months, Circle Takes The Square has gotten somewhat popular, thank god.

However, people need to understand that Emo is essentially DIY punk. It cannot be mainstream. It can be as popular as it can possibly get. But it’s still not mainstream. When we say DIY, we mean it gets where it gets without corporate promotion, and it’s produced independently. What happens if you happen to see a Circle Takes The Square album at Wal-Mart? You stop taking drugs. This wouldn’t happen. You’re probably only going to find their album at, say, an independent record store. Even those don’t always carry what you want. It’s usually best to go with a distribution (or ‘distro’) website. You’ll notice that those sites rarely charge very much for music, and they usually carry vinyl as well. They’re always worth a look, and I have yet to find a distro that I wouldn’t use again.

When I think about the songs I’ve heard, only one song comes to mind that’s Emo and about a break-up: Venus & Bacchus by Saetia. But, take note: It isn’t a “boo hoo, my girlfriend broke up with me, I’m gonna whine about it” song. It’s about how much the guy hates what the girl did.

Emo started in the 80’s, with a little band by the name of Rites Of Spring. While this is arguable, as the Husker Du album Zen Arcade, which is said to have started the style, came out before Rites Of Spring’s End On End album. But I digress. Rites Of Spring were only together from the spring of 1984 through the winter of 1986, but in that span of time, they set the stage for the shape of punk to come. The term Emo started when people at Rites Of Spring concerts started yelling “You’re emo!” at them. This is part of why people say Rites Of Spring started Emo. I tend to go with this, partially because I don’t like the thought that an album started the genre. It makes more sense that the band themselves did.

Emo sparked and faded a bit, until the legendary band Moss Icon came along. In my personal opinion, while Rites Of Spring started the genre, Moss Icon perfected it. Their album Lyburnum is widely considered one of the best Emo albums around, as it’s the ideal album. In my experience, the music on the album is perfect for beginners, as it’s not too loud, but it’s not quiet, either.

Other bands like Embrace (the US version), Faith, Void, and so on ruled the scene, blazing the trail for the new subgenre of hardcore.


After awhile, the sub-movement of Screamo began. Bands like Palatka and Swing Kids were the new norm. It was loud, fast, and it could easily kill you, if you weren’t careful. This kind of music has become the new norm for Emo bands, but the unfortunate thing is that, nine times our of ten, it sounds like random syllables being screamed.

One thing that I don’t like is that people talk about “the waves of emo”. This doesn’t work, because it usually includes what’s considered Emo today. Yes, genres do change as the years go by. Rock has stopped being about sex and drugs, and started being more about that and more about relationships. Rockers have started talking about “making love”. But genres do not become the polar opposite. Does it really make sense that a bunch of guys screaming could really evolve into one guy with an acoustic guitar? I don’t think so. Sure, Pg. 99 is a vastly different band than, say, Moss Icon, but the two are in the same genre because of their sound and their content. Sure, Pg. 99 was a band with songs that make your vocal chords bleed just listen to them. Sure, Moss Icon sounds more like one of today's louder Indie bands, at times. But the two are, inherently, the same, because of their sound and their content. Go read the Mall Emo section for more on the subject.

ON THE SUBJECT OF SCREAMO:

Screamo is the only subcategory of Emo. It is categorized by much more screaming than the average Emo band (and it shows, if you listen to Rites of Spring and then Orchid), but there really isn't much else that separates an Emo band from a Screamo band. However, Screamo is STILL Emo, and still must follow the rules of Emo. You may have been to Fourfa, and heard terms such as Emocore and Emo Violence. Well, I'm here to tell you that the creator of this site (Fourfa, I mean) simply did not know what he was talking about. There is no Post Emo Indie Rock. Just good ol' Emo. Post-Emo Indie can't be a genre because there is no Post Emo. It's still alive and kicking. Post-Hardcore works because Hardcore as a genre has all but died.
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Also, the phrase "Post-Emo" seems to imply that, not only is Emo a dead genre, but it shares a lot of the traits that Emo has. Now, compare a band like, say, A Fine Boat, That Coffin! and, say, Taking Back Sunday. Do they sound anything alike, besides the fact that Taking Back Sunday can be a bit loud at times? Not really. Or, how about Moss Icon and Dashboard Confessional? Do they share any major traits? I'm excluding style and such, I mean lyrics and such. Do they share anything? Not really. So how can Dashboard be Post-Emo Indie, whey aren't Post-anything?

In addition, Emo is a sub-genre. Punk, then hardcore, then Emo. So, then, Post-Emo Indie would be a sub-genre of Emo. So, how can those bands be Post-Emo Indie, when they don't truly share any traits with Punk, Hardcore, or Emo?
I agree that these bands, and the title, have been exploited. But is the best way to cope with that exploitation, to create a new title that exploits not only Emo, but Indie as well?

It's a pickle.

What is Post Hardcore?

Post-hardcore is a musical genre that evolved from hardcore punk, itself an offshoot of the broader punk rock movement.

The earliest appearances of post-hardcore were in Washington, D.C. in the mid to late 1980s (see the era's releases on Dischord Records, for example), though it was not widely known until the early 1990s.

Post-hardcore is typically characterized by its precise rhythms and loud guitar-based instrumentation accompanied by vocal performances that are often executed as whispers or screams. Allmusic states, 'These newer bands, termed post-hardcore, often found complex and dynamic ways of blowing off steam that generally went outside the strict hardcore realm of "loud fast rules." ... Additionally, many of these bands' vocalists were just as likely to deliver their lyrics with a whispered croon as they were a maniacal yelp.' The genre has developed a unique balance of dissonance and melody, in part channeling the loud and fast hardcore ethos into more measured, subtle forms of tension and release. Jeff Terich of Treblezine states, " Instead of sticking to [hardcore's] rigid constraints, these artists expanded beyond power chords and gang vocals, incorporating more creative outlets for punk rock energy.

History
Post-hardcore is rooted in hardcore punk, which had typically featured very fast tempos, loud volume and heavy bass levels.

By the mid-1980s, groups classified as hardcore, or with strong roots in the genre, were experimenting with the basic template. Groups such as Fugazi and Quicksand which had members of older hardcore bands were creating music that, while still rooted in punk rock, was often increasingly diverse, sophisticated and subtle. Early emo bands like Rites of Spring were pivotal in the development of post-hardcore.

Post-hardcore also includes bands with decidedly art rock leanings such as Fugazi, Drive Like Jehu,Bear vs. Shark, Rapeman, Shellac, Big Black, Quicksand, Hot Water Music, Helmet, Shudder to Think, Glassjaw, On the Might of Princes, Far, At the Drive-In and Les Savy Fav